Episode 287: Distracted: Should I let my horse stop and look, or keep him moving?

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Stacy Westfall:
One spot that's often confusing for riders is the question of should I let my horse stop and look at this? Or should I keep my horse moving and keep my horse busy?

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Stacy Westfall:
Hi, I'm Stacy Westfall and I'm here to help you understand, enjoy and successfully train your own horses. In today's podcast, I want to return to the subject of distracted horses. I recorded a podcast a couple of weeks ago talking about five levels of distraction that I see in horses. Today I want to talk more about what to do with the distracted horse, or rather, the options I see that people have to choose from when the horse becomes distracted. But before we jump to the horse example, I actually want you to imagine a situation. I want you to imagine that you and I are standing in a parking lot, and I have a toddler with me, and this toddler is able to walk and talk and really needs to use the bathroom and loves candy. And I want you to imagine that there's a candy store. And I say to you, for $10,000, I want you to take this toddler in through the candy store, get all the way back to the bathroom and back without the child touching any candy, without the child crying, and without saying the word no or any version of no. Could you do it? Take a moment. How could you get this toddler who, upon entering the store is going to start reaching for the candy bars, is going to start pointing, is going to start asking how are you going to get them back to the bathroom, do what needs to be done back there and back out of the store.

Stacy Westfall:
And no, you cannot blindfold them. The answer to how I want you approaching your horses when they're distracted is contained in this challenge. So when I see horses that are distracted, first of all, if you haven't listened to the episode, go back and listen to episode 285 and the five Levels of Distraction, because typically what most people want is they want the rooftop experience. They want the experience I'm having right now where I'm riding down the trail on Willow, slightly distracted myself while I hold my iPhone and record this podcast. And she is highly responsible. And even when she becomes momentarily distracted by a squirrel, a chipmunk, or a falling branch, she's quickly able to recover pretty much on her own. Before I even get a chance to step in and help her. But the question is, how do we get to this rooftop ideal? And you've probably heard me talk in the past about how jumpy Willow was on the trail. On an average trail, I will see hundreds of chipmunks out here. No exaggeration. It's amazing how many chipmunks and squirrels are in the woods out here. And she used to jump at every single one, and she used to alter her gait and break her rhythm every single time. And now she might flick an ear every once in a while. She might lose the rhythm. If something's really close to us.

Stacy Westfall:
Just the other day we came up over a hill and there was a deer standing, stock still, and it didn't move until we were within about 25ft of it, which jumped both Willow and I because neither one of us saw the deer and it was so close to us when it did move. So it's not that she never has moments like that. It's that in that moment it's a shudder in her body. It's not a checking out, rolling back and leaving town moment. And if you go back and listen to that episode, the other thing that's really characteristic of it that puts her into such a high category, is that she's actually recovering. Before I even have time to step in, my muscle memory is there. I'm beginning to step in, but her recovery is faster than I can step in. But it wasn't always like that, so there had to be a plan to get here. So have you come up with your plan to get the toddler through the candy store yet? The number one tool that I would recommend in that instance would be to become very interesting. Imagine if you entered the candy store and maybe I'll bump it up even more. Maybe it's 100,000. How do you get in and out of the candy store? And you will get $100,000 if the child is laughing at the end of it. If the child does not have the candy bar, was not blindfolded, and is actually enjoying the experience of going through the candy store and not getting the candy they very much desire, how is that possible? It is possible if you become more entertaining and engaging than the candy.

Stacy Westfall:
So imagine entering the store and you're probably moving somewhat quickly, not running and dragging them, but you're moving somewhat quickly and you're directing their attention. Where are you directing their attention to? Maybe you're directing their attention to the floor tiles. Maybe you quickly make up a game of hopscotch. Maybe you start telling a story about the cracks in the floor between the tiles and what they mean. Maybe you engage the child with a story about the ceiling tiles and the floor tiles, because to win the game of getting the child back to the bathroom and back out of the store to get a pile of cash, it's going to take you being very engaging, very creative, and keeping them busy enough that they don't notice. The candy bar, which is the most fascinating thing about the whole story, is that you don't even have to use the word no if you're actually pointing them in a direction of what you want them to look at. So can you imagine it a little bit more clearly now? In the very last episode I recorded, I talked about the value of having someone see a video of your ride, and what I have the privilege of doing now is watching a lot of video of a lot of riders, and when I see riders with distracted horses, I often see riders who are waiting to see what happens.

Stacy Westfall:
They are behind the game. The child is already reaching for the candy bar. Maybe the child already has the candy bar in their hand, and now you're trying to pry the candy bar out of the child's hand. And if you're still trying to win the 10,000 or $100,000 prize, you might be trying not to make them cry. But once they have their hand on the candy bar, your odds of winning are going to go down very quickly. So how does that equate to a horse? Well, it does matter whether we're talking about riding or groundwork a little, but the concept is the same. The concept becomes in the very beginning, the horse may not have enough layers of training for you to be able to quickly switch gears like that. Now imagine this example that I've used in previous podcasts of getting your horse to focus. Imagine that when you're coming in from the pasture, you begin asking the horse to stop asking the horse to back up three steps, asking the horse to trot forward 12 steps. Asking the horse to stop. Asking the horse to pivot. Can you see where that is? A version of the candy bar store. Now it is a version of the candy bar store, but it's not a version that I can use right now with Lefty and Stormy.

Stacy Westfall:
So for a reminder, I currently have two orphan foals at my house that are about two months old right now, so they're very young. I also have a two year old or almost two year old. She'll be two next month. So a two year old horse. And then I have some older horses here, so I have a really great mix of ages that I can talk about. So the two orphans, Stormy and Lefty, they can't play the level of the candy bar game that I was just describing. When you're leading your horse from the pasture to the barn or the barn to the pasture, they don't have enough training to be able to use that as a tool. So we start to see the overlap between the concept of keeping the horse busy and the skill set of what you and the horse both currently have the ability to do. Because there could be some of you who are listening to the podcast who, if I give you that assignment and I hand you one of my horses, maybe your skill of being able to execute, counting the steps, being able to execute the halt to the trot, maybe you're a little bit rusty in doing some of those different things. So we start to see that there's your skill set, the horse's skill set. And then we have the situation. So very often when people are talking about their horse being distracted, it could be something as simple as you need to build the skill set in an area that's not heavily destroyed.

Stacy Westfall:
Maybe you begin to build the skill set without going down the candy bar aisle. Right now when you are riding the horse. It is the same concept, except again, I have to think to the horses that I have in my barn. And so I think about Ember, who I haven't started riding yet. When I first start riding her, I'm going to stay in a relatively distraction free area, so I will start riding her in my indoor arena. And because I've owned her for several months and she will have been in there a fair amount, that will be a relatively neutral place to begin. And that's where I'll begin teaching her the cue system, or the language that we can use to communicate. So she'll learn to turn left, she'll learn to turn right, she'll learn to go. She'll learn to stop. But just like Stormy and Lefty, they can be led from the barn to the pasture. But they would not be able to go from a walk to a trot, to a halt, to a pivot. They don't contain that level of training yet, just like they don't contain that level of training. Ember won't contain that level of training initially. During the beginning rides, I will not feel comfortable trail riding Ember until I can do a version of that leading example that I just gave you from the barn to the pasture, so she's going to need to be able to not just kind of follow the directions, but she's going to need to be able to follow them in a relatively quick, not crazy fast, quick, but it can't be super slow.

Stacy Westfall:
It's got to be in a relatively snappy fashion because in my opinion, trail riding is relatively challenging because when you're out trail riding, there are a lot of variables, and for me to be able to keep her attention, she's going to have to have enough skills that me asking for transitions of gait move up to the trot, move down to the walk, move over here, move over there. In order for this game to be fair for Ember, she's going to need to be able to understand those cues relatively well. I need her to understand those base cues well enough that the cues themselves are not confusing to her. That's when I'm going to have enough language built that I can go out to somewhere, like a trail ride, and she will be set up for success in one spot that's often confusing for riders is the question of should I let my horse stop and look at this? Or should I keep my horse moving and keep my horse busy? And one of the reasons that this seems like maybe a little bit of a confusing area is because there's not a 100% right or wrong way to do it, and that's why I think it gets confusing to people.

Stacy Westfall:
But just for fun, let's pretend that we can make up some numbers around this. Let's just, for the ease of math, pretend that in the horse world, half of them are hot and half of them are cold. So that means the hot ones are more reactive and they think quicker, and the slow ones are a little more lazy and they don't think quite as quick. This is just broad categories just so we can have the conversation. So we're just going with a 50/50 divide there. And then inside of that 50/50 divide we also have the level of distraction that we're talking about. That's why I recorded the five levels of distraction. So then we have a horse that has given us an idea of what level of distraction they tend to go to, which is very often going to align with that hot and cold, but not completely, because colder horses can become spooked and big things can happen. So now we have the idea that half are hot, half are cold, and then you start gathering information about how they tend to react. And then we're going to add in another layer of thinking. And that is their responsiveness to your cues. And let's pretend this is not the first day you've met the horse. Let's say you've owned the horse for a year or two.

Stacy Westfall:
It could really be a month or two. It really needs to be a number of rides or interactions with the horse. But just for fun, let's settle on a year. So over the last year, as you've been working with this horse, what have you noticed about the horse? What's interesting about this whole conversation for me is that I don't see any negative to keeping all of these horses busy. If I keep them a little bit busy, like I'm playing the candy bar game, this works. Across the board for horses. If you happen to have a horse that tends to think slower, tends to not overreact, and you let the horse stop and ponder it, you can win. You can be successful in some of those situations. One thing to keep in mind when you're making these decisions is when you stop and you allow the horse to ponder the thing that they're concerned about, saying to the horse, hey, horse, what do you think? What's your opinion? If you know the horse well, you can roll the dice and find this out. But the less you know the horse, or if you have any evidence that the horse is going to make the choice of. Thank you for asking me what I thought. I now need to leave town. This would be not a good horse to ask. What do you think about this? One of the situations that I hear frequently from riders is I stopped and I let him look at it, and then he decided to leave.

Stacy Westfall:
What do I do? And my answer is, act like you're playing the kid in the candy store game. What would happen if you took the opportunity to keep the horse just a little bit busy? Now, don't get this confused with intimidating the horse, because never in the candy store example did I suggest intimidating the child. What I'm saying is, if you build the skill set up to where you can ask the horse these quick questions. Like the child, you can make up the game about the hopscotch and the moving and you can do all of this stuff. You can keep them so engaged that they don't get as worked up about it, as if you stop and you say, what do you think about this display of candy? And then when the child reaches for the candy, you then tell them no, or you then react to try to recover from your horse saying, thanks for asking. I think I need to leave now. The thing that's confusing is that not all horses will do that. But the challenge is you must know your horse. If you're going to do that. I would highly suggest that if you're going to choose that route, that you also have looked around to try to decide what some of the options you're leaving open for the horse are.

Stacy Westfall:
For me, when I'm doing groundwork, there's a stage I take the horses through that I call splitting attention. And if you're interested in learning more about that and my groundwork program, I have a wait list over on my website, StacyWestfall.Com where you can sign up to learn more about my groundwork. But teaching a horse how to split their attention is a magical thing, because at the end of the day, I don't believe in robbing the horse from the ability to look around, but I also don't believe in saying, hey horse, what do you think? A wrong choice? Don't go there. I'd really rather not be dragged down the trail. I'd really rather not be run away with. I really don't want to be dragged across this field. I don't want to necessarily leave the horse free to make the choice, only to then have one or both of us in some kind of physical danger. When I look at the five levels of distraction that I outlined back in episode 285, when you were operating somewhere near the safety line, or if you're slipping below the safety line into where a horse would panic but would recover, it's in this zone that it is most important for you to decide how you want to handle distractions. Because when I think about a distracted horse, like what Willow was when I first started trail riding her out here, the reason she has become the trail horse she is now is because I was holding her hand with my Aids because I was able to predict there will be chipmunks the whole way down this trail, and I am going to use the distraction as an opportunity to focus her, to be able to ask her to do this, to be able to ask her to do that.

Stacy Westfall:
And I was actually able to use those distractions to show her that I am not intimidating. But I am clearly directing you because I refocused her so many times. Now she is able to refocus herself. Now, this podcast should come with the same warning that I explained in last week's podcast, which is there's what I'm saying, and there's what I mean when I say keep the horse busy. And then there's what you're. Beginning. When I say keep the horse busy. So it is important and I have put out quite a few videos. Things like the Stacy's Video Diary Jack YouTube series that you can go watch, where you can see me doing groundwork with Jack. And that video series has excellent examples of keeping a horse busy. If I had just one main point for you to walk away from this podcast with, it would be this when you have a horse that is exhibiting levels of distraction, you need to assess if the horse is on top of that, having a reaction to your cues. So sometimes horses that are not confident with your cues, whether you're on the ground or whether you're riding them, if they're already not confident with your cues and then they become distracted.

Stacy Westfall:
A lot of times this is when things snowball into a more dangerous cycle, because at first the horse may be reacting to an outside stimulus. But then when you go to use your aides, if they also react to your aides, now you are in a downward snowball. That would be one of the first things that you need to think back on. When you think about your horse that you are riding or leading that is distracted, how is your horse's understanding of your cue system? Are they reacting to you when they're in that kind of a situation, or are they responding to you? In addition, you need to assess if you want to leave the horse and say, what do you think about this situation? And then leave a blank space for them to fill in their thoughts, which may be standing or may be leaving town or something in the middle? Or do you want to develop a way to communicate with the horse where you say, hey, look over here, look at this, look how we can do this so that you are keeping them more busy. And that tends to be my approach. One challenge I see with asking the horse the question, so what do you think about this? And then leaving that gap is that when they are right around the safety line, if they are feeling insecure and they decide to exit stage right is what I often like to call it.

Stacy Westfall:
Unless they go left, then I call it exit stage left. But if they decide that flight is the best idea, the challenge becomes it is much easier to interact with a horse that's above the safety line, rather than one that has begun to panic or has checked out. So especially if your horse has the tendency to check out or has the tendency to leave town, you really need to assess whether or not you want to ask them their opinion. Because if we want to go back to the candy bar analogy, it's a little bit like, what do you think of this display of candy bars? That's much more like putting the child in the position of letting them stop and stare at the candy display, and hoping they don't make the decision to go after the candy. Another thing that's really interesting about the idea of how you might win this game of getting the child through the candy store is that with horses, we tend to be doing one of two things. We tend to either be helping them, let's say, not get distracted by the very green clover beside the trail right now that could distract Willow, so she could be drawn to something that was very similar to the candy bar.

Stacy Westfall:
Or we're trying to keep the horse from getting very distracted by something that's actually fearful. That would be much more like taking the child into a quote unquote, fun house of mirrors and having the child get panicky. And again, in that situation where the child might be afraid at a carnival or a circus, and you need to get them into an area where they feel more comfortable, I still think the method of keeping them highly engaged is still very effective in that situation. So if your mind starts to offer you Yeah.. But it's not candy that my horse is after, it's my horse being afraid of something in the distance. I still think the analogy works. My approach to training is much more similar to the way. That I would engage in the game of how do I get the kid that needs to use the bathroom through the candy store without saying no, without blindfolding the child, and without them wanting any of the candy on the shelf? I'm going to make a very, very interactive, interesting game of getting to the back of the store and then back out the front again. If you're interested in learning more about how I do this in groundwork and in ridden work, be sure that you go over to my website and sign up for my email list. That's what I have for you this week, and I'll talk to you again in the next episode.

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