Episode 260- Frustration dissolves when you learn to structure and evaluate your rides

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Speaker1:
And I remember videotaping myself and thinking, this is never going to change. I mean, how is she ever going to not be all strung out?

Speaker2:
Podcasting from a little cabin on a hill. This is the Stacy Westfall podcast. Stacy's goal is simple to teach you to understand why horses do what they do, as well as the action steps for creating clear, confident communication with your horses.

Speaker3:
Hi, I'm Stacy Westfall and I'm here to help you understand, enjoy and successfully train your own horses. Today I'm taking you behind the scenes where you'll have a chance to meet two more of the amazing students inside my Resourceful Rider program. As you listen to their personal journeys, listen for the challenges and for how they navigated their way to their breakthroughs, two things that really stood out to me in this episode were the determination that both exhibited when they were learning to self-evaluate, and the mindfulness that they used in creating their own structure for training at home. And then at one point I ask, so if she anticipates something now, what's your reaction to it? Listen for the answer. It's brilliant. My hope is that by sharing these behind the scenes stories, you'll hear what these students have achieved and you'll realize it's possible for you too. Let's get started. Thank you for joining me and agreeing to come on the podcast. Could you say your name and tell us a little bit about yourself?

Speaker1:
Sure I am Cathy Burakov and I live in California. I have well had three horses up until Saturday now have four. I only have one that is rideable though two of them are not because of health issues and the other one's just a baby. I mostly work on training my horse, and I do a little bit of trail riding, and I've had horses for about most of the last 50 years.

Speaker3:
Hi, I'm Joanne Bradley, I live in Saint George, Utah. I've got two horses, 14 year old and a 27 year old. So the 27 year old is just kind of retired boy. I have been a student of the horse. I like to think for my entire life. They've always been my entire life. Anybody who knows me just thinks of horses. I've tried to learn as much as I can about them, and just always keep growing and pushing myself a little bit more to get out of my comfort zone here recently. So I'm always done a little bit of just training and trail riding, but recently trying to get into the show ring. So that's where you have come in here recently. Oh very good. So I am curious because I don't always know the backstory. What brought you into the Resourceful Rider program?

Speaker1:
Well, for me, I am. I listen to a lot of podcasts, just different ones. And so. Oh, about a year and a half ago, I guess I was going through podcasts looking for something to do with horse training, and I came across Stacy's podcast and immediately just got addicted to them. And I listened to every single episode up until the current time, you know, that I was listening to it and I was having some issues with one of my mares, and that's really what got me going, because I've done I've gone to a lot of clinics and things like that, but I needed something kind of ongoing. And so when you talked about your Resourceful Rider program, I looked into that and worked up to the point that I could join that program, and that's how I got started.

Speaker3:
Very good. How long? Out of curiosity, how long have you been in the program?

Speaker1:
I have been in the program just about a year. I think it was around this time a year ago.

Speaker3:
Okay. How about you, Joanne? I've been in the program for ten months now. Like Kathy said, I listen to your podcasts as well. I decided I was just tired of feeling frustrated after rides. I wasn't progressing like I thought, you know, I really wanted to kind of stalled out. I just wanted a program that I could clearly understand, and that would teach me the step by step progression of how to improve body control. And after listening to your podcast and hearing your deep dives on everything I knew it was. It was definitely for me. It sounds like the podcasts were pretty influential to you in getting to know my teaching style.

Speaker1:
Yes, I love when the podcasts come out each week, and then going into the program is just so much more in depth. So it's been really helpful just listening to the podcast and then getting in into the program and kind of tying the two together. And so yeah, I felt like it was just going to such a deeper level because listening to the podcast, I wanted to just try everything.

Speaker3:
When I created the program, I was thinking about what I teach on the podcast Rider's Mind, rider's body, horse's mind, horse's body, and the way that all four of those are always at play. And I talk about it on the podcast. When you're inside the program, you have access to the different modules like steering collection. Whoa, that are kind of more like the horse and the horse's body. And then you also have the mindset mastery and then the weekly calls has your understanding of those four different areas deepened from being inside the program. Listening to your podcast, I got little nuggets that I loved. But then coming into the program, I had been searching my whole life for a program that actually tells you, step by step, where to go from the beginning to advancement. So every other program or instructor that I've learned from makes assumptions that your level is already at a certain spot, or they just they'll show you a finished product and give you little tidbits on how to get there. So coming into your program and actually getting the step by step content and then being able to use the mindset mastery work to be able to get, you know, really in depth into diagnosing why things are happening. It was just it was just way better than I was expecting. So it it just filled in so many little holes that I'd wondered, you know, is this is this the right way to do things or not? Or as far as the mindset mastery, I'd never gotten such clarity on how I should look at horse training and how you always talk about, you know, thinking of it as a conversation with the horse and diving deep into what feelings you have and why. And I mean, I never thought I'd be able to leave every ride with my horse happy and feel fulfilled that we did, you know, a great job. And I'm not frustrated. I'm not emotional. It's just seems absolutely surreal that that's a possibility. And you've really given that to us and just so grateful for it.

Speaker1:
I didn't understand. Like when in the podcast when I hear you talk about the horse's mind. The horse's body, the, you know, rider's mind and body and, um, I mean, I just didn't totally understand it, but being in the program and just growing over, like, this whole year. I can see how all those things work together and just all the components of the program, how valuable they've been like the zoom calls and the mindset mastery is not something that I would have really had thought about before. And that has been valuable just even really in life and a lot of different areas, but particularly with my horses. When I had started the program for another mare who now has has developed a issue that she's not rideable and being able to work through that in the mindset mastery just to understand. My feelings and that it was painful and that I mourn that. And and then even now, getting this new baby and people say, well, why did you get a baby? And it's like, well, then I start questioning myself. And and then I thought, no, wait a minute. And working through the mindset and that. So it's been amazing to see how how my mind works against me and or for me either way and with the mindset mastery has definitely helped me to work through things like that and to see just changing my mindset. What a difference it makes.

Speaker3:
When you started the course, did you focus on one particular area? There's pretty much no wrong way to do it. I did create a start Here module for people that wanted to be able to have a PDF that they could check off the list and work down through, but I also encourage people, if you come in and you're super curious about one area, just dive straight into that one area. Feel free to move around because just like you've both spoken about, at the end of the day, as you're in there, you're going to start to see not just the bigger concepts of like rider's mind, rider's body, horse's mind, horse's body, but you're going to start to see the different components working together. And my goal in doing it was creating something where, as you referenced Joanne, you'd be able to pick out where you were at and kind of say like, hey, this particular spot right here. But you could also look to what comes before that and what comes after that and kind of see how it's all woven together. So I'm just curious, when you started, how was that for each of you? I started the checklist, I started this, the steering course, and then I slowly started taking in nuggets of the mindset mastery. The longer I was in the course, I knew I needed more mindset mastery. So I started, you know, doing more there, more work there. But I absolutely fell in love with the zoom meetings. So once I started watching the zoom meetings, I was addicted. So I just I couldn't I couldn't watch enough of those being able to to hear the content and the techniques explained in different ways just made things click for me that it just it seemed like the real deep dive on certain maneuvers and techniques.

Speaker3:
You kind of understand the why a little bit better. And not just that you should be doing it, but why you should be doing it. And I really love that when when I hear you explaining, you know, to different students as you're watching their videos, it just seemed like a great way for me to be able to learn those alone. I believe, I think honestly are worth the money I paid and more. Your enthusiasm for training is just super contagious too, so when you get excited, it just gets me excited and just gives me the extra motivation to keep working hard. So those have just been absolutely a gem for me and I just loved them. What do you get different when you watch somebody else's video being reviewed versus yours? Mine. I have to watch over because I'm just probably kind of too engrossed in the experience to be able to actually filter it all right there. So I watch them over quite a few times, but there's something about watching the other the other students videos, and I just love sharing in the experience of that too, and watching everybody else grow and and you just feel like everybody else becomes a friend, you know, that you get to ride with. And it's just a great experience. I think something you just said there is actually really key. Getting people to record their rides and watch them is so valuable.

Speaker3:
Even if you don't bring them to a call because you literally become the watcher when you're riding the horse on the pattern, you are the rider of the horse on the pattern. And then when you go over and you watch the video, you are now the watcher of the horse and the rider riding the pattern. So when you tell me that you often have to watch the video reviews over again, if it was your own video being reviewed, that makes sense to me because it's the same thing, but on another level. So now you were the rider on the horse, riding the pattern, watching. Now you're the watcher of yourself watching it, but now you're actually having the level of like, I'm watching it and typically asking you questions and giving you ideas. And so you are in it in a different way, even though you were in it when you recorded it. Now you're in it with me. So it makes sense to me that you would then be watching it again. And I'm inside of different business courses where I'll get coached and I have the same experience, I have the experience of being coached, and then I go back and I watch myself being coached, and that's when the mindset mastery work comes in really well. Also, and as you know, from being in the calls, which you would not get from the podcast, I'm rather expressive. So I'm very expressive in my own zoom calls. It turns out it shows up in the business calls, which is not quite as common.

Speaker1:
So I would agree with Joanne that the zoom calls are my all time favorite. I feel like I have a community of people that I ride with, even though we don't ride together, but to be able to come back each week and it's so fun, I mean to. Have this community of people, even though we don't live close or anything, but get on the zoom calls and hear each other talk and see what we're going through and stuff has been. Just awesome.

Speaker3:
Yeah. Some of the success stories that I read will all be tearing up over the success stories, or then we'll see somebody send in a video and we can all visibly see the change. And it has it has created a community.

Speaker1:
For some reason, like if I've been traveling or something, and it just kills me not to be available for the zoom call, I always go back and watch it. I just love, you know, just really what Joanne said about sending in my, my videos. And at first it was really kind of weird. And I would I even get a little nervous videotaping myself knowing that the video is going that, you know, I'm probably going to be sending it in. And so that makes I like, ride different. And I've heard you say that that that doesn't make sense. I'm still out there by myself. And um, but yeah, the things that you see, it just blows my mind. And I see a change the very next time I ride. You know, when we talk about something often, you know, I'll go back and watch it as well and then go out and try it and wow, you know, so I see results immediately.

Speaker3:
Do you notice a difference between the experience of having your own videos reviewed versus watching the other students?

Speaker1:
Yes, because a lot of times they're working on things that I either hadn't thought about or that I might not be working on. Or it brings to mind something that, oh, I do need to work on that. Or, you know, I might need to go back to that step and, and work on that. So yes, it's it's. I feel like when I have you review my video, it's very specific to what I'm working on. And that's like I said, my favorite part. But watching the other students, it opens up like a different layer of. Other things that I can notice. And, you know, I can take that back to my riding or my horse and notice those things with her, whether it's something I am going to or need to work on or not, it just really opens up my mind to different areas and aspects of working with her.

Speaker3:
Has the program changed the structure of the way that you work with your horses? Definitely me structure. I wouldn't say I was very structured before the program. I could say I would ride, you know, a half an hour to 90 minutes, 4 to 5 days a week. What I was going to do, I didn't know what I want, what I was going to do. I didn't know what exactly I needed to do to get where I wanted to go, what maneuver I should work on, how long should I work on that maneuver? Training versus conditioning. How do I separate that? How long do I work on each thing? So that was definitely something that I was really looking forward to with your program. Is is having a set training plan to be able to apply? How long do I work on this? How long do I work on that training versus conditioning. So now you know, you have a great zoom meeting that you talk about your training plans that are in your workbook, that you talk about how you apply it in your training, and then how we can use it in ours. And that that is exactly what I use. And now I'm able to have a plan every week. And I can say now I have great structure to each day when I ride, I know what I'm going to do when I make the best use of my time because of those wonderful plans that that you have in your workbook and that zoom meeting, that was very helpful, very good.

Speaker3:
What changes have you seen in your horse because of that? Oh, man. So I can say that we had INCONSISTANCYand a lot of frustration beforehand. And now we have harmony and steadiness because we've put to work exactly what you give in the workbook. So just keeping you know, you have the plan and you give us a plan. And if we just put the work into it and apply what you teach us, you know, I can say that my horse fully trusts, puts her trust in me now and knows that I'm going to have a conversation with with her about our training. I'm going to let her put her input into it, and there's not going to be frustration and emotion involved like there used to be. So there's been some some great progression that like I said before, I never thought I would leave the arena happy every single ride like I do now. And it sounds crazy. And I would have thought I was, I was lying if I would have told myself this last year. But it's amazing what a program and a plan can do for your riding. And it's just awesome. Life changing. Is there one specific example? Because I know you've you've touched a lot of different things.

Speaker3:
I can remember you sending in videos of, you know, straight lines and corners, the four leaf clover pattern, you know, isolating the different rains, the backups. So you've at this point you've touched a lot of different things in the program. Is there a moment that you can remember when it was kind of clicking for you, and you felt things changing in your horse? Is there something that stands out as like a story you could anchor us into? Yes, I have, I have a couple. I have day one that was very impactful, just going out and just working on Direct rain only and learning that I didn't truly know the meaning of each rain. And I had been handicapping my horse and kind of ping ponging her in between each rain and each leg, because I didn't truly know how to guide her appropriately until your program. So day one. Once I learned that how to actually isolate and use each aid properly, I knew that was going to be a big deal. It was a lot of work, and but once I recognized what I had done and how to fix it, it was great. And then about 3 to 4 months in, just finding a rhythm, in working on specific things and not throwing too much at my horse, which is what I used to do.

Speaker3:
I used to think that she shouldn't know what was coming. She shouldn't. I shouldn't have a pattern because I didn't want her to anticipate what was coming. So once we were really working good on the patterns and keeping good rhythm and just giving her something, giving us both something to mentally focus on and work on and perfect. It really changed everything about my training, being able to have focus on specific things in a specific pattern and feeling the difference as she learns it and as I learn it. And growing with that was really impactful. So now if she anticipates something, what's your reaction to it? If she anticipates something, I'm maybe going to use it to my benefit now. Or I look at maybe is it something that in my habit pattern that I'm causing her to anticipate? So now it's kind of something that I'm like, oh, what is this? Like you say, you know, you get curious about it and what's causing it versus, you know, before it was I didn't get very thoughtful into it and curious into it. It was more of a, oh, no, what did I do or what, you know. So yeah, it's it's, it's a, it's a better thing now. Well thanks for sharing all of that. So Kathy, has the program changed the structure of the way that you work with your horse?

Speaker1:
Absolutely. So even this week, I mean, I feel like I've changed so much over the last year and it just continues and even this last week. I had a couple of days that one day I literally had 20 minutes to be on her. And so I had a plan of exactly what I was going to do. And then the last couple days, I noticed I paid attention to the time that I got on her. And I've always felt like, well, if you only have a half an hour or even 45 minutes, that's just not long enough that I wouldn't really be able to get much done during that time. But I've discovered that if I have a plan and I go out there and I worked on just warming her up, I walked twice, I trotted three times, and then I cantered her twice, and then I did some other things. And I've just noticed that me being more focused has really been a good thing for her. She has made her very happy because I realized how much of what was going on with her. She wanted to please me, but you know, I wasn't focused enough to help her understand even what I was asking for.

Speaker1:
And so by having that, okay, today I'm going to work on warming her up and the trot. And I've been working a lot on the stop and straightness. But just having okay, this is what I'm going to do first. This is what I'm going to do. And moving through it that way has really helped both of us to to stay focused and just feel like we're accomplishing so much, even in just, you know, a few minutes time. So that has been a really big thing, because I literally have gone out when I've only had 20 minutes to be on her. And I've heard you say that so many times that. You're going to have just a 20 minute, very focused ride, or go out on trail for two hours and not be completely focused. So I think it's given me permission to only have that little bit of time and yet know that I'm going to focus on whatever it is. So it's completely changed the way I ride each day.

Speaker3:
I love that you bring that up. And basically what I hear you saying is not only are you structuring your rides, but it also sounds like you're evaluating during the ride. Is that something different? Because I know in the course for sure. Basically, when you bring your videos on, I'm doing an evaluation. I teach you how to do evaluations. There's a PDF with three different styles of evaluation, whether it's a like a very short or a more detailed and then a very detailed evaluation. Is that what's kind of seeping back into your rides, that evaluation process?

Speaker1:
Yes. Yes, definitely. Because I'm trying to evaluate. Well, just recently the stop and doing the zoom call and you pointing out that see how she kicks her her hind in out each time. And you know, you even had even said, I challenge you to be a detective and to determine that. And what I determined on the very next ride was just focusing on we're stopping straight and we're just going to sit there. And so I realized after, you know, that that next day or two that. What was happening was that I was stopping, moving off, stopping, moving off. And so she was anticipating, well, we're going to move anyways, you know, just which way are we going to go? Or my legs, my left leg might be off of her or on her. So yeah, it's really helped me to look at at what's causing that often is in my body and how I'm asking her or not asking her for a specific thing, and then it changes. You know, it's just neat to see how quickly it does change when I look at what's going on during each ride. So yes, that has changed. Instead of getting frustrated or, you know, just. Well, yeah, just getting frustrated. It's evaluating what is causing that.

Speaker3:
I think the evaluation part is probably one of the most important parts that I've learned too, is because and it keeps popping up and I keep getting reminded, like the videos, just just taking a video once a week and ride and focus on something specific and just going back and looking at that video and watching to see if it's if what you feel during your ride is what you're seeing in the video. And it's just been mind blowing that I swear I'm doing something specific with my hands, or I'm doing something specific with both my legs. But when I watch the video, it's something completely different. So I mean, that is just been something that has been every month I'm putting my goal sheet on my refrigerator, and I've got something specific on there that I'm watching for in my videos because stuff that you think you're doing, you're not doing, and you have to reprogram that. And the only way that you can know is if if you can see it or if you have somebody evaluating it, like we have you watching our videos and you catch these things, you know, like with me with the inside leg while I was loping with my mare, I'd, I would have never picked up on on me not using that inside leg.

Speaker3:
And to reprogram that has been something that I have to consciously think about every ride, use that inside leg and use that inside leg and then video confirm, are you using that inside leg or not? So I mean, it's just so important to do those evaluations into video. Have you noticed that by doing that work? Because it is work? I mean, I'm not going to tell anybody. It's not there's it doesn't sound that complicated to set up a tripod and hit record on your phone. But as has been alluded to, there's a mental side to it. Have you noticed the power of doing that for yourself versus having somebody stand there and tell you? Yes, definitely. I've. I almost am getting addicted to it now. I don't I don't do it all the time because like you said, it's kind of a pain in the butt to grab the tripod and drag it out and set it up. But when I do do it, I'm so excited to get home and watch it and see what I, you know, what can I learn from this video? What can I save and put on my computer to keep for next year, to look back on, to see our progress? So it's something that the more I do it, the more I want to do it.

Speaker3:
Just to be clear, I love people taking in-person lessons and I love taking in-person lessons. But the power of me knowing how to evaluate and do what you just walked us through, when you know how to do that for yourself really well, and when you've been consistently practicing it, it literally changes the way that you feel and look at the video. And that makes you so much more ripe for when you do go to the live, in-person clinic or event. It's like it's two different things, and this one is really, really empowering you to really get to see your own body make those own changes. And then what you're doing when you go and you get that outside party standing there telling you something, it changes that experience. You get so much more value out of that experience from doing this work over here, that it's hard to explain to people until they've actually done this work and then felt that transfer, no doubt about it.

Speaker1:
When I first started in the program, it was hard to make myself. Take the time to set up the camera, because usually my husband's not home and, um. But the more I did it, the more Yeah.. I look so forward to coming home and well, live. I mean, my horses at home, but coming inside and watching that video and, um, to see what, you know, I can see. And it's been fun to have a small tripod. I've literally hung it upside down from the tree before and put my camera in there so that, you know, to get myself and, um, it just adds a whole different. Aspect, and it also helps me focus more on, you know, because I can't just take 15 minutes worth of it would eat up my battery. So yeah, it's just not something that I would have done before. And like Joanne said, to feel like you're asking a certain way or you're doing these certain things is completely different than when you watch the video and even like when I send them in to you now before I would just send them in. But now I've tried to go back and watch them and evaluate them and see what I'm noticing. And then to have you go over it and have you point out different things has been, you know, really valuable for for me, like, you encourage us to evaluate them ourselves first. And it's helped me notice things more than I would have before for sure.

Speaker3:
Have either of you gone back to the beginning videos or videos prior to the course and compared? Yeah, definitely I have. Yeah, it's pretty intense. What have you noticed as a wiggly worm? She's just her little hip swing thing she would do and just I can see. Oh my goodness. It was. I was trying hard and we were, we were trying to to look good, but we weren't looking very good. We're we're we're a lot more solid now that's for sure. What's it like to look back and actually know what was causing that? That's the best part. That was the best part. Now I can I can see specifics and say, why were you doing that? No. You know, open your hands and use both your legs and. Yeah, it was it's it's awesome to be able to see that.

Speaker1:
Yeah, like close that outside. Rein,, what are you doing?

Speaker3:
Have you gone back, Kathy, and watched?

Speaker1:
Yes. And to see how she carries herself differently, but can go back and see. Why was he even asking her to carry herself the way I'm asking her now? And I remember videotaping myself and thinking, this is never going to change. I mean, how is she ever going to not be all strung out? And, um, so, yeah, it's. Kind of sad to go back and watch it now. It's encouraging.

Speaker3:
Quick catch, quick recovery right there.

Speaker4:
Oh.

Speaker3:
When you go back through, what do you feel for your horse when you look at the older videos?

Speaker1:
Oh. I feel like, you know, I was just confusing her. You know.

Speaker4:
That too?

Speaker1:
Yeah. That just wasn't clear enough. And I think I noticed that more through what I feel now when I'm writing her, even more so than just watching it, but feeling and then seeing she was trying wasn't that she wasn't trying. It just was not clear.

Speaker3:
So did you have any doubts or hesitations about learning to train your horse with an online program?

Speaker1:
I just didn't know how it was going to work. I would I wouldn't say that I had any doubts because even listening to the podcast. And trying to implement even a few of those things, I could see a difference. So I don't think I had hesitation, I wouldn't say.

Speaker3:
I didn't have any hesitations. I live in a pretty rural area where we don't have a lot around here, so I was really open starting the program, though it far exceeded my expectations. I've never had any difficulty understanding or seeing anything. Everything has been super clear and explained super well. And yeah, the zoom meetings have have been phenomenal in my opinion.

Speaker1:
Yeah, I was just talking to my husband last night about the program, and and he knows and agrees that it's been worth every penny and more. And, um, you know, like I said, over the years, I've gone to a lot of clinics, but those are usually, what, a year in between each one or more. And you might learn something, you know, one weekend and then you don't see that clinician for another year or so. And so you don't have that constant weekly lesson really. And plus being able to go back to the courses and watch it and, and even going to the YouTube and watching the Jack videos over again and, and things like that has been far more valuable. And I've gone to some good clinics, but it's it's been far more valuable than I even expected it to be for sure.

Speaker3:
It's again, I love clinics, I love lessons. This is just a whole different way of learning. And what's been so rewarding for me is to watch students go through it and see the changes that are made. And the thing that I really challenged myself to do in creating it was, how can I create this so that you can train in your home environment and permanently change your habits? How can you do that deep work of recognizing and changing and doing that all at home? I love teaching clinics and having people travel here, or meeting people somewhere and doing it, and it has its own unique benefits. This program has its own unique benefits that are just staggering to me. How much can be done on a platform like this? I love teaching in person, I really do, but having done it for 20 years, I could also see the limitations of exactly what you said. It's great that somebody comes and spends two days or four days with me, but even if they do that twice a year, it's challenging for them to hold that. It's a lot of information for people to take in. And what's so fascinating to me now is that when I have people that do, because the advance at home people, I've been, they've they've had a back door into coming and doing clinic. So even though I'm not advertising clinics, they've been able to come in and do clinics is a completely different clinic experience. Just like if you guys showed up, you'd be so in tune with what I'm saying and how I'm talking and how I coach and my literally down to like the nuances of the techniques or however you're so much more ready even now inside the course, you guys are just ripe for the learning. So when I tell you stuff, you can just absorb more, handle more well.

Speaker1:
And the beauty of it is, especially if we send in a video and you watch that and talk to us about it, and then we go and work on it, and then we send another video back in, there's that. You know, checking in to see, okay, are we doing it right? You know, and then you evaluate that and give a suggestion. Whereas with the clinics you learn it all maybe in that one week. And even if you video it because that's what we used to do, you're still not. I don't I don't feel like I advanced really past that weekend. You know, maybe a little things, but not having that checking in. Okay. Am I doing this right or am I practicing it wrong for the next year? Yeah.

Speaker3:
And that's what I could see from my vantage point. Most of the time they just need to see. Yes, this is working. That piece right there isn't. And then you do keep making progress versus the INCONSISTANCYbecause you're not sure why it sort of works and sort of doesn't.

Speaker4:
Right. Yeah. This is.

Speaker3:
I honestly can't imagine a better place to learn. I mean, really like the clinics, like Kathy saying, I mean, it's such a big experience anyways. But also you only you can only learn so much at a time. So once you once you like. Oh yeah. Okay, I get that. But then past that you're just not ready for it. So with your program, we can, we can be like, oh yeah, I got that. But what I don't know about that. Let's work on that. And okay, now I get that. Or maybe I don't and I have no clue. And I need to ask Stacy to verify okay, this or that. And so once you clarify then we're like, oh, okay, that that makes sense. And then you can just slowly get it and get it and get it. And I honestly just I can't imagine a better place to learn than your program. It's I mean, I can't say it enough like it's it's a game changer. It literally is a game changer. Like, seriously, I don't I can't imagine doing anything else, wanting to do anything else than this. So it's just the best way to learn at your own speed, at your own place, and being able to check in with you. I mean, it's just it's perfect. Literally, I love it.

Speaker1:
And don't you feel that after every ride, Joanne, that, you know, like you think that this course is awesome or, you know, it's a excitement every time you ride that you're seeing things that you're learning and growing from. And yeah, you know, see things changing.

Speaker4:
Yeah.

Speaker3:
Every time. It's amazing. It's so awesome. I want to first thank both of you for participating on this call on all the zoom calls and then ask you, is there anything else you'd like to share about your experience with the podcast listeners? Um, yeah. So I have to say, this program has literally changed my life. I now have a plan for every ride. I have a training program that I fully understand and can actually replicate, and I have a coach that gives motivation and support when I need it. Stacy gives you all of her knowledge, as well as a wonderful learning environment that you are always looking forward to, and I will forever be grateful that I found Stacy and the Resourceful Rider program. I look forward to it every week. And it's this. It's just been absolutely amazing. I'm so grateful for it.

Speaker1:
I would agree that, like I said a moment ago, it's been more valuable than I possibly could have imagined, and I just continue to learn something new with every zoom call, even if I'm not being evaluated, which is often the case. And but I just keep gleaning all these little nuggets and I feel like it's just building and building upon each other. You're just always so welcoming and never make anybody feel foolish for asking a question or having a question. And that is so valuable and important to feel like, okay, I feel like this is a stupid question, but I'm going to ask it anyways, and you just never give any hint of thinking that a question is ridiculous. Or maybe you should know that already or anything like that. And so it's just been life changing and it's something that I, you know, hopefully will be writing for still many years. And I just look forward to being able to continue going back to the courses and, and applying different things. Because I love to learn. I love to love to learn from different trainers and things. And I just feel like, you know, there's still so, so much in this program that I've barely even cracked the surface of. So thank you.

Speaker3:
Well, you are welcome. And thank you again both for joining me today. And I look forward to seeing you on next week's zoom call.

Speaker4:
Yes. Sounds great.

Speaker3:
To learn more about the Resourceful Writer program, visit my website Stacy westfall.com and put your name on the wait list where you'll receive more behind the scenes peeks into the program.

Speaker2:
If you enjoy listening to Stacy's podcast, please visit Stacy westfall.com for articles, videos and tips to help you and your horse succeed.

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